Phillip Cramer

1769 - 1859  (90 years)

• Name	Phillip Cramer  [1, 2, 3, 4]
  Birth	17 Mar 1769	Codorus Township, York County, Pennsylvania   [1, 3, 5]
  Gender	Male
  Death	4 Aug 1859	York County, Pennsylvania   [1]
  Burial	Saint Davids Church (United Church of Christ) Cemetery, Hanover, York County, Pennsylvania   [1]
  Notes	His listing of FindAGrave shows he married Dorothy Elizabeth Menchey, and was the father of Christina Cramer Utz. However, Robert Givens, in a 1988 genealogy titled "Neidig Genealogy Origins of the Family" stated that Daniel Cramer's son Phillip Cramer instead married Christina Neidig, daughter of Johannes and sister of Henrietta Sophia Neidig, wife of Phillip's eldest brother, Helfer Cramer. It appears that Daniel's son Phillip did indeed marry a woman named Christina, based on the following deed, which references "Philip Kromer with Christina his wife" Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 52, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1943, cited the following deed (2R, 422) April 15, 1805. Helfrich Kromer of Codorus Township, yeoman, and Sophia his wife: to George WERNER; for (Pounds) 49.10.0: 8 acres, 140 perches, part of tract of 109 acres 126 perches surveyed ) October 14, 1768, to Daniel Kromer in pursuance of an application for 100 acres dated September 13, 1768, now the property of the said Helfrick Kromer as it appears by released of his brother Daniel Kromer bearing date Aug. 29, 1782, given to his brother Philip Kromer with Christina his wife conveyed the same to Helfrick on April 9, 1791. Perhaps Dorothy Menchey was a second wife. Givens also writes that Phillip and Christina were the parents of 8 children, all of whom were christened at St. Jacobs. His list shows these children as: Johannes/John Cramer b. 29 Oct 1782; Christina Cramer, b. 10 July 1784 and married Mr. Gosnell; Maria Barbara Cramer, b. 7 Mar 1786 and m. Mr. Markley, Helfer/Helser Cramer b. 6 Apr 1790, Peter Cramer b. ???, Daniel Cramer b. ??? and d. 1845, Molly Cramer b. ??? and m. Mr. Cochran, and Anna Margaret Cramer, b. ??? and d. 1845. Dean Cramer has an identical list of children born to Daniel's son Phillip Cramer by Christina Neidig. He also noted that "I suspect Phillip may have also been named Henry...." A database on Ancestry.com [Ancestry.com - York County, Pennsylvania Church Records, 1760-1800: Codorus Township] does have the following baptism records relating to four children born to a Phillip Cramer and a Christina Neidig: Johannes Cramer, 1 Dec 1782, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania Christina Cramer, 5 Aug 1784, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania Maria Barbara Cramer, 11 Mar 1786, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania Helfer Cramer, 26 Apr 1790, Saint Jacobs (Stone) Union Church, Codorus Twp, York County, Pennsylvania It appears likely, however, that the husband of Christina Neidig was more likely another, older, Phillip Cramer. Daniel's son Phillip would have been only 13 years old when the eldest child was christened. Additionally Robert Givens stated that Phillips wife Christina was confirmed in St. Paul's in 1770 at the age of 14, so this would mean she was born about 1756. This would have made her 13 years older than her husband. If they married in 1782, prior to the birth of eldest son Johannes, Daniel's son Phillip would have been only 13, and his bride 26. The family of Phillip Cramer and Christina Neidig should be studied further before conclusively linking them with the Phillip Cramer who was a son of Daniel Cramer and Anna Margaretha Schmidt. Edith Beard Cannon, in "Genealogical Reports for The Historical Society of York County, Vol. XXIX, p. 53, Evidence of the Cramer Families of York before the year 1850 REVISED" published 1843, cited the following deeds relating to a Philip Cramer of Manheim. (3C, 142) April 20, 1816. Stephen SHORB and Christina his wife; to Philip Cramer of Manheim Township, yeoman; for $417.72; 33 acres 120 perches in Manheim Township. (3G, 362) April 26, 1823. John STICK and Salome his wife: to Philip Cramer and Andrew Gerhart: for $936; 80 acres in Manheim Township, to be held by the grantee as tenants in common. (3H, 130) April 28, 1824. Andrew GERHART and Catharine his wife: to Philip Cramer of Manheim Township: for $376: the Grantors' intereste in #G, 362. (Research): Census Listings: 1850 Census Pennsylvania, York County, Manheim Twp Enumerated 18 Sept 1850 Handwritten No. 6, Stamped 321 144-144 Philip Cremer 82 M none 30 acrecer 1600 Pa Elizabeth Cremer 71 F Pa Cath Cremer 30 F Pa Cath Myers 11 F Lydia Myers 19 F Pa
  Person ID	I7714	Strong Family Tree
  Last Modified	17 Aug 2014

  
  

  Father	Daniel Cramer,   b. Abt 1730, W?rttemberg, Germany d. Bef 1779, York County, Pennsylvania (Age ~ 48 years)
  Mother	Anna Margaretha Schmidt,   b. Abt 1730, York County, Pennsylvania d. Bef Sep 1815, York County, Pennsylvania (Age ~ 85 years)
  Marriage	Abt 1752	York County, Pennsylvania   [4]
  	Robert Givens is cited by Dean Cramer as the source of this marriage information. Daniel Cramer and Anna Margaretha Schmidt Cramer are also shown on York County, PA Church records for Codorus as the parents of Anna Maria Cramer, baptized in 1762 and Eva Elisabetha Cramer, baptized in 1766.
  Family ID	F3327	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Dorothy Elizabeth Menchey,   b. 9 Sep 1777, Pennsylvania d. 28 Jul 1872, Pennsylvania (Age 94 years)
  Children	1. Christina Cramer,   b. 4 Apr 1818, York County, Pennsylvania d. 26 Aug 1887 (Age 69 years)   2. Catherine Cramer,   b. Abt 1820, York County, Pennsylvania d. Yes, date unknown
  Family ID	F12765	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	11 Mar 2013

  
  

• Event Map

  Birth - 17 Mar 1769 - Codorus Township, York County, Pennsylvania Death - 4 Aug 1859 - York County, Pennsylvania Burial - - Saint Davids Church (United Church of Christ) Cemetery, Hanover, York County, Pennsylvania  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Sources

  [S873] Find A Grave [database online]; http://www.findagrave.com/, (Thousands of contributors submit new listings, updates, corrections, photographs and virtual flowers every hour to the FIND A GRAVE website. When it comes to administrating, building and maintaining the site, Find A Grave is largely operated by its founder, Jim Tipton.), # 34379656 (Reliability: 3). [S555] Cramer, Roger E.-Family Researcher (RKCedar@aol.com). [S144] 1850 United States Federal Census [Ancestry.com database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005, (Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls. This database is an index to individuals enumerated in the 1850 United States Federal Census, the Seventh Census of the United States. Census takers recorded many details including each person's name, age as of the census day, sex, color; birthplace, occupation of males over age fifteen, and more. No relationships were shown between members of a household. Additionally, the names of those listed on the population schedule are linked to actual images of the 1850 Federal Census.), Pennsylvania, York County, Manheim Twp Enumerated 18 Sept 1850 Handwritten No. 6, Stamped 321 144-144 (Reliability: 3). [S547] Cramer, Dean-Family Researcher (dcramer@primus.al.net). [S547] Cramer, Dean-Family Researcher (dcramer@primus.al.net), shows DOB ca 1768 (Reliability: 3).