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John Payne

Male Abt 1615 - Bef 1690  (~ 74 years)


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  • Name John Payne  [1
    Birth Abt 1615  England, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    Death Bef 1690  Rappahannock County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Burial Red House, Cedar Hill, Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • See pages 44-51 of "The Paynes of Virginia" for more information on John Payne, Sr. He appeared to be a ship owner, as he was paid for provisioning and transporting Burgesses from Lancaster to James Town. He may also have been a carpenter, as in 1656 the county court ordered him to make for the county one pair of stocks and a whipping post.

      His date of birth is approximate and is based on an affidavit concerning delivery of pork to Jamestown which states his age as "44 years or thereabouts". This was probably a visual estimate of a Clerk of the Court rather than based on his own oral evidence.

      As suggested by the comparatively late date of the Court records relating to his two younger sons, it is not improbable that he was married twice, and that Margaret was his second wife. John Payne had the following children--Richard, John, William and George. It is believed that he had also one or more daughters; but since his will cannot be found, although it is recorded that he made one, it is practically impossible to identify any such daughters.
    • (Medical):Y DNA Results, FTDNA Haplogroup:

      R1b1

      A direct male descendant volunteered to have his DNA tested. The results can be found at www.ysearch.org, under the user ID #B3C9R, and the FamilyTreeDNA Kit number is 48173.

      More information can be found at the following website, part of the PAYNE DNA, which can be found at the following URL:

      http://papayne.rootsweb.com/dna-project/

      The kit was #48173, and this Payne group was assigned to lineage 16.

      The members of R1b are believed to be the descendants of the first modern humans who entered Europe about 35,000-40,000 years ago. Those R1b forebearers were the people who painted the beautiful art in the caves in Spain and France. They were the contemporaries (and perhaps exterminators) of the European Neanderthals. R1b is the most common Y haplogroup in Europe - more than half of men of European descent belong to R1b. Fourteen of the 30 most common haplotypes in the YSTR.org database are typical of R1b.
    Person ID I1832  Strong Family Tree
    Last Modified 17 Aug 2014 

    Family Margaret ???,   b. Abt 1619   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Children 
     1. Richard Payne,   b. Abt 1640, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Yes, date unknown
     2. John Payne, Jr.,   b. Abt 1650, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Abt 1669, Rappahannock County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 19 years)
     3. William Payne,   b. Bef 1652, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 23 Feb 1697, Westmoreland County, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 45 years)
     4. George Payne,   b. Abt 1661, Virginia Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Abt 1711 (Age ~ 50 years)
    Family ID F1224  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 9 Dec 2006 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsDeath - Bef 1690 - Rappahannock County, Virginia Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - - Red House, Cedar Hill, Westmoreland County, Virginia Link to Google Earth
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  • Documents
    Payne, John yDNA of direct male descendant
    Payne, John yDNA of direct male descendant
    Certificate of Y-chromosome DNA testing from The Geneographic Project. Haplogroup R1b is the most common in Western Europe, and are descendants of the Europe's first large-scale human settlers. The marker's frequency is high in northern France and the British Isles where it was carried by descendents who had weathered the Ice Age in Spain.

    The yDNA donor was Paul James Payne of Corpus Christi, now deceased. His line of descent from the immigrant John Payne is as follows:

    John Payne>William Payne>William Payne>Sanford Payne>George Payne>William C. Payne>Thomas Hamilton Payne, I>Walter Winkle Payne>Harry Carl Payne>Paul James Payne

  • Sources 
    1. [S272] Payne, Brooke THE PAYNES OF VIRGINIA (Third Printing, C.J. Carrier Company, Harrisonburg, VA 1998).