Norman Dewitt Allen

Notes:

At the time he completed his registration for the draft during World War I, he wasa resident of Waco, Texas, and his occupation was that of a motor trader. His nearest relative was Mrs. Lizzie Allen, and he was shown as being of medium heighth and slender, with gray eyes and brown hair.

Name: Norman D Allen
Death Date: 17 Oct 1963
Death Place: Austin, Travis, Texas, United States
Gender: Male
Race: White
Death Age: 82 years
Estimated Birth Date: 1881
Birth Date: 09 May 1902
Birthplace: Lampasas Texas
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: William Allen
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Maund
Mother's Birthplace:
Occupation:
Place of Residence:
Cemetery:
Burial Place:
Burial Date:
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 2117402
Digital Film Number: 4137706
Image Number: 01898
Reference Number: 83373
Collection: Texas Deaths, 1890-1976

Norman married Loreen Brown on 22 Dec 1913 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma. Loreen was born before 1893; and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Married:
Kate Allen Tirado writes that her brother Norman and "Miss Loreen Brown were married December 22, 1913 in Oklahoma City. Came to San Antonio, Texas to spend Christmas with the Tirados at 130 East Craig Place."

Notes:

Enrolled in the District 10 School in Sabine County in 1854. In a biography of his family, written by his daughter Katherine Allen Tirado, it was noted that he "was about 8 years old (when his mother died) and he had a step-mother [Jane Russell Payne] that was very severe and the loss of their mother was a great sorrow to them."

A veteren of the Civil War, per "Citizen Soldiers of Sabine County, Texas" by Robert Cecil McDaniel. His tombstone is inscribed Miss Pvt Co F 11 Regt Tx Inf CSA

In the Affidavit of Mrs. C. D. Gooch, she noted that W. W. Allen lived in Lampasas County, Texas as of 1910. Other sources list him dying circa 1900. He actually died in 1914.

Sally had notes from her her aunt Kate Mellon Allen, who married a Tirado. Kate indicated that William Washington Allen was born at the home of his parents, Thompson and Elizabeth Allen, in Noxba, Mississippi.

Name: William Washington Allen
Death Date: 09 Jun 1914
Death Place: Lampasas, Lampasas, Texas
Gender: Male
Race:
Death Age: 74 years 9 months 3 days
Estimated Birth Date:
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1839
Birthplace: Noxba Co., Mississippi
Marital Status: Unknown
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Occupation: Farmer And Stockman
Place of Residence:
Cemetery:
Burial Place: Lampasas
Burial Date: 10 Jun 1914
Additional Relatives: X
Film Number: 2051127
Digital Film Number: 4165726
Image Number: 2455
Reference Number: cn 12920
Collection: Texas Deaths, 1890-1976


(Research):
Census Listings:

1870 Census
Texas, Sabine, Beat No. 3 Post Office Brookeland
Enumerated 21 Aug 1870
Page 18
636-636
Allen, W. W. 30 M W Farmer $2500 $1000 Tx
Allen, Elizabeth 19 F W Keeping House Tx
Allen, Franklin 10 M W Tx
Allen, Tabitha 8 F W Tx

1880 Census
Texas, Lampasas County, Town of Lampasas
Enumerated 4 Jun 1880
Page 12D SD 5 ED 85
Elm Street
109-116
Allen, William W. M W 40 Stock Raiser SC ---- ----
Allen, Elizabeth W F 33 Wf Keeping House Ga Ga Ga
Allen, Catherine M W F 6 Dtr Tx Sc Ga
Allen, William C W M 4 Son Tx SC Ga
Allen, Horace B W F 1 Son Tx SC Ga


1900 Census
Texas, Lampasas County, JP 5
Enumerated 30 June 1900
SD 4 D 106 Sheet 20B
344-346
Allen, William W Head W M Sept 1839 M 30 SC Unk Unk Farmer
Allen, Lizzie Wf W F Nov 1845 54 M 30 8/7 Ga Ga Ga
Allen, Horace B Son W M Sept 1878 11 S Tx Sc Ga Farmer
Allen, Norman D Son M W May 1881 19 S Tx SC Ga Farm Laborer
Allen, Perry C Son M W Dec 1883 16 S Tx SC Ga At School
Allen, Bessie Dtr W F Jan 1885 15 S Tx Sc Ga At School
Allen, Chester Son W M Aug 1890 9 S Tx Sc Ga

1910 Census
Texas, Lampasas County, JP5
Enumerated 15 and 16 Day April 1910
SD 14 ED 172 Sheet 1A Stamped 88
1-1
Allen, W. W . Head M W 69 M2 39 Miss SC SC
Allen, Lizzie Wf F W 63 M1 39 7/0 Ga Ga Ga
Allen, Bessie Dtr F W 21 S Tx Mis Ga
Allen, Chester Son M W 18 S Tx Mis Ga Laborer Homer Farm
Spradling, W. L. Hired Man M W 21 S Tx Tn Tn Farm Laborer Home Farm

1920 Census
Texas, Lampasas County, JP 1, Lampasas City
Enumerated 3 and 4 March 1920
SD 17 ED 141 Sheet 20A Stamped 103
First Street
1208-469-572
Allen, Lizzie Head F W 74 Wd Tx US US
Allen, Bessie M Dtr F W 32 S Tx Miss Tx








(Medical):yDNA results

A direct male descendant of William Washington Allen's, born with the Allen surname, volunteered to submit a yDNA sample to FamilyTreeDNA.com.

His kit number, in the name of William Allen, is 237184.

The results showed that he was in the R1b1a2a1a1b haplogroup.

He was a 37 marker match to the following :

Samual Doyle Allen Jr (Ancestor Ephraim P. Allen, b. 1820 North Carolina)
Ronald Lee Allen (Ancestor Edmond Allen)
Henry Walton Allen (Ancestor not indicated)
Jerome Brady (Ancestor Richard Brady b. ca. 1805 Co. Caven or Claire, Ireland)
Williams Adams (Ancestor William Adams b. 1816)

Bill Adams emailed the following about his "Adams" lineage: "I can trace my lineage back to William Adams born in Mecklenburg, VA in 1816 or 1820. I know his mother was Sarah/Sally "Adams". (And I think he may have had brothers Alfred and James). I cannot determine who his father was. His grandfather appears to be James Adams who fought in the Revolution. Sarah/Sally having a last name of "Adams" is weird.

Due to the exact match between us, I am wondering whether Sarah/Sally actually had a husband named "Allen" who died or something. Maybe Sarah/Sally went to live with her "Adams" dad for this or some other reason and the kids were raised with an Adams last name. I sayy this because it seems weird to me that Sarah/Sally's husband would also be the same last name of "Adams".

You show your earliest ancestor being 1820, but I do know that the "Adams" in Mecklenburg lived on "Allen's" creek. Also, one of them married an "Allen" (maybe it was William, I can't remember for sure.) I know there were "Allens" living in close proximity to the "Adams" in Mecklenburg, VA."

William married Elizabeth Rebecca Maund on 21 Apr 1870 in Milam, Sabine County, Texas. Elizabeth (daughter of William Wallace Maund and Caroline Young) was born on 30 Nov 1845 in Georgia; died on 15 Sep 1929 in Temple, Bell County, Texas; was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, Lampasas County, Texas. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Her daughter, Kate, instead lists her date of birth as November 30, 1845, in Albany, Georgia. Her tombstone is inscribed as 1845-1929, with the phrase "Mother Dear"

Name: Elizabeth Allen
Death Date: 15 Sep 1929
Death Place: Temple, Bell, Texas
Gender: Female
Race: White
Death Age:
Estimated Birth Date:
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1846
Birthplace: Ga.
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Rev. W.W. Maund
Father's Birthplace: Ga.
Mother's Name: Caroline Young
Mother's Birthplace: Va.
Occupation: Hsewfe
Place of Residence:
Cemetery:
Burial Place: Lampasas, Tx.
Burial Date: 16 Sep 1929
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 2114969
Digital Film Number: 4032110
Image Number: 2787
Reference Number: cn 43080
Collection: Texas Deaths, 1890-1976

Notes:

Married:
In March, 2011, Sally Clark emailed that: "Elizabeth Maund and W W Allen are my gg grandparents. They had 8 children to my knowledge. I am using their daughter, Kate's notes, and I am using my grandmother's notes on their children. Elizabeth and W W are buried in Lampasas with several Allens. Lampasas is my home. Let me know if you want names and dates for their children and what you need to verify the information."

Sally Clark
sjclark@classicnet.net

Notes:

In a Family Group Sheet prepared by Eva Mae Halbert Hackney, whose father was a grandson of Thompson Allen, she lists Thompson's birth as occuring on 22 Dec 1802, Elbert County, Georgia. His parents are not listed, though the parents of his wife, Elizabeth Wooldridge, are shown. No sources are cited by Eva. This handwritten group sheet was provided to me by Blanche Finley Toole in January, 1995. Blanche said she helped Eva prepare her DAR and DRT records applications. Blanche and Eva were connected through the Burton family. Neither Blanche nor Eva knew who Thompson Allen's parents were.

In a history of the W. W. Allen family, prepared by Thompson Allen's granddaughter, Kate Allen Tirado, she also writes that "Thompson Allen (Father of W. W. Allen, Levi T. and John Allen) was born December 22, 1802 in Albert (sic) County, Georgia. Thompson Allen departed this life at the age of 67 years, 10 months, and 5 days at his residence in Sabine County, Texas on October 17, 1870." Again, Thompson's parents are not mentioned by Kate. Kate prepared this four page, typewritten manuscript sometime after 1955, but before her death in October 1964

The "1850 Census Sabine County, Texas with added family information and corrections" by Helen Gomer Schluter and Blanche Finley Toole, shows that Thompson Allen in Household number 277 was the owner of 9 slaves. On this census, he is shown as age 48, and born in South Carolina. The 1860 census lists his place of birth instead as Georgia. Kate Allen Tirado, a granddaughter, writes that Thompson lived first in Houston, Texas ca 1840, later moving to Milam, Sabine County, Texas.

Sally Clark, a niece of Kate Allen Tirado, emailed that a Thos WG Allen was listed in the "First Settlers of the Republic of Texas Vol I." He was given a second class land grant as a resident of Harris County. He rec'd 1280 acres, and listed as Thos WG Allen - 3-16-1839. He woud have needed to be here prior to 10-1-1837 to be first class." It is possible this land grant in Harris county was for our Thompson Allen as Kate Tirado wrote that he lived in Houston, which is in Harris County, before moving to Milam, Sabine County in January, 1841. However it is also possible that this is another Thompson Allen, as the extract of a voters registration list from 1867 (shown in full below) for Thompson Allen shows "Yrs in State: 26, Yrs in County: 26, Yrs in Pct.: 12." This would seem to indicate that he settled directly in Sabine County around 1841, as the years in the state and county match.

According to a list of Sabine County Voter's registrations appearing in YELLOWED PAGES, Winter 1993, Page 27, "Aug 6, 1867 #322 Thompson Allen Prct 5, Yrs in State: 26, Yrs in County: 26, Yrs in Pct.: 12, Native of Georgia."

Gifford White's book, "The First Settlers of Sabine County, Texas" has the following listing: 19 Thompson Allen 1840, 640 acres, Dec 1843, noting further that a Wm D Fry and Bede Johnson are listed with the same dates.

According to an Affidavit of Mrs. C.D. Gooch, dated 25 May 1910, and on file in Sabine County, "Thompson Allen was married twice, that his first wife, whose name was Elizabeth Wooldrige before marriage; died about the year 1848, that she left surviving her, her husband, Thompson Allen and six children as follows: (1) John Allen, who died eight or nine years ago, and left a widow and children; (2) Connilia L. Allen, who married Annanias Oliver about the year 1840, and died 1909, leaving children; (3) Levi Allen who now resides in Lampasas County, Texas; (4) W.W. Allen who now resides in Lampasas, Texas; (5) Mary F. Allen who married W.W. Halbert in 1858 and died about 1900 in Sabine County, Texas leaving her husband and children; (6) Jerusha Allen, who married G.W. Speights in November 1865, and died in Hemphill, Sabine County, Texas in 1888 leaving husband and children; That the said Thompson Allen and his first wife, Elizabeth, had four other children, namely Marion, Martha, Elizabeth and Augustus, all of whom died without marrying and leaving no children; that the above mentioned ten children, were all and the only children of the said Thompson Allen and his first wife, Elizabeth Wooldridge, that reached maturity."

After the death of his first wife, Thompson married second Jane Russell, the widow of Epperson Duke Payne.

On the 1854 Sabine County Scholastic Census, Thompson Allen was shown as having five children and stepchildren enrolled in District 10: William, J.P. Pain, J.D. Pain, Mary, and Jerusha.

Blanche Toole, a Sabine County Genealogist and historian stated that, "Thompson and Elizabeth Wooldridge Allen are buried in the Oliphant Chapel Memorial Garden cemetery, and Thompson was a veteran of the Mexican War. " His name has not be located in the index of Mexican War veterans, however. Blanche also indicates that Thompson Allen's sister was Jemima Allen, the first wife of A.D. Oliphint. [Note: This is not proven and may be in error]. Blanche also said that Thompson "came to Texas with his wife, Elizabeth Wooldridge, and with the Oliphints. He settled just south of the Oliphint Chapel Community, on the Palo Gacho Bayou, where he had a grist mill and lumber mill. He lived near the Oliver family. He and his wife had a large family. Elizabeth died 7 March 1847, and was buried in the Oliphint Chapel Cemetery. They were parents of seven children. Three died young. When Thompson Allen died, after 1870, family tradition says that he was buried by his first wife, Elizabeth. It is presumed the three young children were also buried nearby." [Note: presumably Blanche means Thompson and Elizabeth had a total of TEN children, three of whom died young, and seven who lived into maturity]

In the family group sheet given to me by Mrs. Toole, one that was prepared and/or extracted from the notes Edna Mae Hackney, a total of twelve children are shown. It appears that two of these twelve children died before 1836, before the families move to Texas circa 1841. This may account for the discrepency in the number of children. Mrs. Hackney listed detailed birth and death dates for the parents and children, but no support was provided for these dates. Or Mrs. Hackney may have been in error about the two children who died young.

All twelve are shown in this file, however.

In an article entitled "Mrs Etta Nichols Speeks on History of Low's Chapel" published in the August 26, 1965 issue of the SABINE COUNTY REPORTER, "John Morris gave land for church, school and Cemetery about 1890...the school was named for Thomas Allen, and called Allen's Old Mill. Thompson Allen owned a mill that sawed logs into lumber as well as ground corn for meal. It was located about 1/2 mile north of Tuckers Bridge on Palo Gacho. A dam of boards, which was called a tumbling dam, produced the power. The saw worked vertically. Thomas Allen married Glendy McLanahan's mother, who was my great grandmother. Curtis Jackson owned the mill first."



(Research):Timeline (Courtesy of Tuck Wilson)

1802 - Dec 22, Thompson born in Abbeville District, SC (Arva Allen Bible notes). Other family records show location of birth as Elbert County, GA. 1850 census shows him as age 48, born SC. 1860 census shows him as age 58, born GA.
1820 - Thompson a minor, not found in Census in Alabama or SC
1828 - dau Ruthie Ann Allen b 13 Nov 1828 in SC
1830 - dau Minerva Jenkins Allen b. in Alabama
1830- should be living in Selma, Alabama Dallas County (birth of Minerva Jenkins Allen 23 Nov 1830) but not found in census SC, Ala, Mississippi
1832 - son Thomas Bannister Allen b. 29 Sept 1832 in Alabama
1833 - son Thomas Bannister Allen d. 4 Aug 1833 in Alabama
1834 - dau Caroline Woolridge Allen b. June 1834 in Mississippi
1836 - son Levi Thompson Allen b. 3 May 1836 in Noxubee County Mississippi
1836 - dau Caroline Woolridge Allen d. 26 Oct 1836 in Mississippi
1839 - son William Washington Allen b. 12 Sep 1839 in Noxubee County Mississippi
1840 - should be living in Noxubee County Mississippi. He is not shown there but there is a "T. Allen one county over in Winston County, Mississippi with 9 people that looks good. There is an Alfred E. Oliphint in Holmes County, 1 county west of Winston.
1840-43 Thompson Allen has moved to Texas by 28 Feb 1843 when dau Mary Frances is born.

Census Listings:

1850 Census
Texas, Sabine District in the County of Sabine
Enumerated 27 28 and 29 of Nov 1850
277-277
Thompson Allen 48 M Farmer $2000 South Carolina
Jane C --- 39 F
David R Payne 16 M Alabama
Margaret E --- 15 F Alabama
Jane E ---13 F Texas
J. Peckins 11 M Texas
Caroline D --- 9 F Texas
Tery Allin 13 M Mississippi
William --- 11 M Mississippi
Mary --- 9 F Texas
Jerusha --- 5 F Texas
Alfred A --- 2/12 M Texas
Alexander Bains 21 M Farmer Alabama

1860 Census
Texas, Redland Beat No. 4 in the County of Sabine, P.O. Milam
Enumerated 30 Jun 1860
Page 23
167-167
W.A. Payne 36 F Farmer $7500 $15782 La
Margaret A Payne 15 F Texas
Sarah A Payne 10 F Texas
Benjamin R Payne 6 M Texas
William E Payne 5 M Texas
Mary R Payne 2 F Texas
H.B. Bachtlor 18 M Overseer Ga
168-168
Thompson Allen 58 M Farmer $3000 $8451 Ga
Jane C. Allen 49 F S.S.
Caroline D. Payne 19 F Texas
J.C. Allen 15 F Texas
169-169
unoccupied
170-170
Levi and Telitha Allen family




(Medical):
yDNA results

A direct male descendant of Thompson Allen's (through his son William Washington Allen), born with the Allen surname, volunteered to submit a yDNA sample to FamilyTreeDNA.com.

His kit number, in the name of William Allen, is 237184.

The results showed that he was in the R1b1a2a1a1b haplogroup.

He was a 37 marker match to the following :

Samual Doyle Allen Jr (Ancestor Ephraim P. Allen, b. 1820 North Carolina)
Ronald Lee Allen (Ancestor Edmond Allen)
Henry Walton Allen (Ancestor not indicated)
Jerome Brady (Ancestor Richard Brady b. ca. 1805 Co. Caven or Claire, Ireland)
Williams Adams (Ancestor William Adams b. 1816)

Bill Adams emailed the following about his "Adams" lineage: "I can trace my lineage back to William Adams born in Mecklenburg, VA in 1816 or 1820. I know his mother was Sarah/Sally "Adams". (And I think he may have had brothers Alfred and James). I cannot determine who his father was. His grandfather appears to be James Adams who fought in the Revolution. Sarah/Sally having a last name of "Adams" is weird.

Due to the exact match between us, I am wondering whether Sarah/Sally actually had a husband named "Allen" who died or something. Maybe Sarah/Sally went to live with her "Adams" dad for this or some other reason and the kids were raised with an Adams last name. I sayy this because it seems weird to me that Sarah/Sally's husband would also be the same last name of "Adams".

You show your earliest ancestor being 1820, but I do know that the "Adams" in Mecklenburg lived on "Allen's" creek. Also, one of them married an "Allen" (maybe it was William, I can't remember for sure.) I know there were "Allens" living in close proximity to the "Adams" in Mecklenburg, VA."

Thompson married Elizabeth Wooldridge on 8 Feb 1821 in South Carolina. Elizabeth (daughter of John Wooldridge and Martha "Patsy" Ellington) was born on 7 Mar 1804 in Abbeville County, South Carolina; died on 25 Nov 1847 in Milam, Sabine County, Texas. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Said to be the sister of ex Mayor A. P. Wooldridge of Austin, Texas. He lived at 3122 Wheeler Street, Austin. If she is related, she is more likely an Aunt or Cousin, as Alexander Penn Wooldridge, mayor of Austin, was born on 1847 in New Orleans, and therefore would be much younger than Elizabeth.

Notes:

(Research):

Census Listings:

1850 Census
Florida, Wakulla County, Town of Newport
Enumerated 14 Oct 1850
Stamped 251
12-12
William W. Maund 50 M Merchant Ga
William L. Maund 24 M Merchant Ga
John C. Maund 21 M Merchant Ga
Angelin Maund 17 F Ga
Caroline Maund 34 F Ga
Victoria Kirksey 12 F Ga
Henry Kirksey (sic) 7 M Ga
Elizabeth Kirksey (sic) 5 F Ga
Lucretia Kirksey (sic) 3 F Ga

1860 Census
Texas, Jasper County, P.O. Newton
Enumerated 24 July 1860
Page 1
7-7
W W Maund 59 M Merchant 2000 12454 Ga
Caroline Maund 38 F Ga
Henry Maund 16 M Domestic Ga
Elizabeth Maund 14 F Ga
Lucretia Maund 12 F Ga

1870 Census
Texas, Sabine County, Hemphill
Enumerated 24 Jun 1870
Page 9
64-64
Maund, W. W. 69 M W Farmer 300 500 Ga
Maund, Caroline 52 F W Keeping House Ga

1880 Census
not located

William married Caroline Young before 1844. Caroline was born between 1816 and 1822 in Georgia; died on 2 May 1883 in Lampasas County, Texas. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

In a family history prepared by granddaughter, Katherine Allen Tirado, she was referred to as Caroline Young Kirksey Maund. It was also shown she was born in 1802, which is contradicted by census data.

Notes:

Married:
Caroline was married first to a Mr. Kirksey. At the time of the 1850 Newport, Florida census, she was enumerated with William and his children from his first marriage, William L, John and Angeline. Also living with them was her 12 year old daughter, Victoria Kirksey, and their three children together, Henry, Elizabeth and Lucretia.

Notes:

Tuck Wilson, a descendant of Arva's eldest son, John Showell Allen, provided the following biography of Arva:

"Arva Allen was born around 1765 in Mecklenburg County Virginia. The date is established by the following:Arva paid taxes on the Purchase of a horse in 1785 when " he is not yet 21 years of age" and he paid his first "head tax" levied on persons 21 years or older the next year , 1786. He married Polly Clarke in 1786, Bolling Clarke, surety. Arva and Polly lived in Mecklenburg Co. as evidenced by the head tax that he paid in 1787, 1788 and 1789 and then they moved to Abbeville District, South Carolina, a trip by wagon train of over 300 miles. Their first two children, John Showell Allen and Banister Allen were born in Virginia and their third child, Charlotte Allen was born in Elbert County Georgia in February 1791. They made their home here for a number of years, surrounded by large numbers of Allen relatives.

The Allen family was not in the 1800 census of Abbeville District. In 1799, they moved to Elbert County, Georgia and were living on Beaver Dam Creek for two years before returning to Abbeville. Family tradition states that Arva was a millwright. This could have been the reason for their living there for two years. There was a water mill on Beaver Dam Creek until the 1930's, perhaps built by Arva. Arva also had property on Coldwater Creek in Elbert County in 1804 - Elbert County, Georgia Deed Books K-R, 1806-1819, Abstracted and Indexed by Michal Martin Farmer; Farmer Genealogy Company, Dallas, TX, 1997. Elbert Co., Ga. Deed Book R, 1818- 1819: p. 72. 2 Feb. 1804, Samuel Means, Sen., & Margret, his wife, to Joshua Jinkins, all of Elbert Co., for $300, on a branch of Cold Water Creek in sd. co., supposed to be 100 acres, adj. Hugh Means & Arva Allen, John Beard & others, in fee simple. (signed) Samuel Means, Margret (/) Means. Wit: Micajah Farrel, Jno. Cunningham, J/P., Hugh Means, W. Martin. Rec. 4 May 1818. I believe Allen family kept the property for many years as grandsonson George W. Allen used it as his address while he attended Franklin College and grandson Alex went there to visit father John Showell Allen and his second wife in 1843.

The 1810 census has them in Abbeville again. It lists 2 males, 16 - 26 (John Showell Allen and Banister Bolling Allen), 2 males under 10 (Thompson and Leroy Allen), 1 male 45 and up (Arva Allen) , 3 females 10 - 16 (Charlotte, Polly and Nancy Allen) and 1 female 45 and up (Polly Clark Allen).

The 1820 census has no mention of Arva or his family in Abbeville and no one knows for sure what happened to them. One conjecture is that Arva, Polly, and the four younger children moved to Alabama after 1810. There is an Arva Allen, living alone, in Pickens County Alabama in the 1830 census. It is possible that Arva went there to pursue his trade, the building of grain mills. Family tradition says Arva died and is buried in Huntsville, Madison County,Alabama but I can find no evidence of that. Some researchers feel he died in Covington County, Mississippi.

The Allen family migration to Alabama & Mississippi included several family members, Charlotte Allen Porter and her husband James M. Porter, Thompson Allen, Leroy Allen, Banister Allen's son Byrd Oliver Allen, and John Showell Allen's son, Samuel Linton Allen (a few years later).

Charlotte Allen Porter got Arva's bible after his death but tracking this family has been difficult. I have not found them in the 1830, 1840 or 1850 census but James M. Porter bought or sold property in Huntsville, Madison County Alabama in 1839 and 1840. Their son 2 Arva Allen Porter is in Holmes County Mississippi in in 1850 listing 5 children born there since 1839. Thompson and Leroy Allen are separate head of households found in Winston County Mississippi in 1840. Leroy Allen also buys (or sells) property in Huntsville, Madison County, Alabama in 1840. Byrd Oliver Allen is found in Noxubee County MS in 1840. Samuel Linton Allen is in Sunflower County MS during the mid 1840's and 1850's from letters.

Arva could be buried anywhere in Alabama or Mississippi from the evidence I can collect. James Porter and Leroy Allen had property in Huntsville at about the right time. As to when he died, Alexander Arva Allen (grandson) writes 16 March 1843: " News had arrived when I was over (at Uncle Banister's) that Grandpa Allen was dead obtained through Bird's (Bird is Arva's grandson and Banister's son) writing to Uncle Banister. Uncle LeRoy (Arva's son) had obtained the Power of Attorney from him before his death, gone to Virginia, received the legacy and pocketed it safe enough, a great piece of rascality indeed having enclosed in the Power of Attorney a deed of gift to the legacy." This says quite a bit. Most importantly, Arva had a legacy in Virginia and likely we can identify his father and family. Also, grandson Bird was living in Choctaw County Alabama at the time, suggesting Arva died in western Alabama. It also establishes Arva's death in about late 1842 as Bird's letter arrives while Alex is visiting in early 1843 and Uncle LeRoy had already gone to Virginia to obtain the legacy.

The Allen plantation was located on a hill overlooking the Rocky River in Abbeville District. There is such a place shown on the 1820 Mills Atlas (conveniently next to a water mill) that may be the old homestead although it could also easily be Banister or John Showell Allen's place. Rembert Allen , in "The Arva Allen - Polly Clark Family of Virginia, South Carolina and other Southern States" says that the original plantation was three miles southeast of Lowndesville and it became the home of Bannister Allen. John Showell Allen had a place three miles southwest of Lowndesville, close to Samuel Linton's " Mt. Pleasant" home, near the Savannah River.

Diane Click writes that Mecklenburg was cut out of Lunenburg VA in 1765.

Christine Allen Bevans emailed, in August 2020 that:I believe that Arva Allen is Arvey Allen. I have a copy of the original Marriage Surety Bond for Arvey Allen to Polley Clarke 08/01/1786. Secured by Bolling Clarke.



(Research):In March 2014, Tuck emailed that some Public Member trees on Ancestry.Com show that Arva's father was Richard Allen. Most have this Richard dying in Cumberland County Va 1832 and had two known sons Arva and Henry. Some have Arva Allen listed as Alfred Arva Allen, a name that I have seen as Thompson Allen's youngest (although it is A. Arva Allen in the census).

The following is a summary of public member trees on Ancestry.com. If you have anything to add, I would appreciate haring from you.

Public Member Tree '96 Davis Family Tree. In this tree , Richard Allen 1740-1825 has two sons,Arva 1764-1842, and Henry Allen 1760-1830.
Henry Allen is living in Halifax County Va. In 1783, unknown spouse, has child that is Lawson R. Allen Sr. 1783-1861. No proof offered.
Lawson Allen m. Nancy Clark, Halifax Co. in 1806. This Nancy Clark is thought to be related to Polly Clark. They moved to Williamson Co. Tn with 8 Clark head of households and a number of grandchildren of Bolling Clark d. 1809 Dinwiddie Co. Doug Tucker wrote me in 2005 "Here's a couple of possible leads for your search for Arva's parents. You already know that Bolling Clark's daughter married a Lawson Allen in Halifax Co., VA in 1802. My research notes show that Lawson Allen's father may have been a Henry Allen and that his grandfather may have been named Richard Allen. I don't think that Henry and Richard came directly from my research, but rather from another Allen researcher who may have been swayed by Lawson naming his oldest son Richard Henry Allen. There is ample reason to look hard at this and I did but other than the connection of Lawson Allen back to Bolling Allen d. 1809 Dinwiddie, the records have not been much help. There is no Henry Allen in Halifax WB 0,1,and 2 1782-1792 (as far as I went). There is no Henry Allen in the 1782 Continental Census Halifax or "Records of State Enumerations 1782 Halifax. Also for 1783, and 1785. There are no marriages of Henry Allen in Halifax, in "Some Virginia Marriages" '96 Wulfleck, " Virginia Marriages1740-1850"- Ancestry.com or "Virginia Marriages 1660-1800" Ancestry.com."

Public Member Tree Charles Robbins Harris Tree '96 same as above but no proofs.

Public Member Tree '96 Jenkins In this tree, Richard Allen is b. in Hanover Co. va. Nov 21 1741 of parents James Allen (1699-1771) and Anne Anderson (1706-1776). Richard dies in Cumberland Co. Virginia in 1832. Richard Allen has two sons, Henry Allen (1760-1830) and Alfred Arva Allen (1764- 1842). No evidence is provided except for unnamed Ancestry.com trees. Searching thru the Cumberland County Will books 6-11, 1817-1852, there is no Richard Allen will or estate and he is not mentioned as a legatee in another Allen will. A Richard Allen is mentioned twice as the administrator of a William Allen dec'd. who apparently died in 1841 and his estate ran to 1846. Also no Arva or Henry appears in these willbooks at all.
What is in the Jenkins tree is a detailed list of children of James Allen d. 1771 Hanover Co. , supposed father of Richard.

Public Member Tree '96 Cohn Family Tree states Richard Allen b.741 Hanover, d. -1832 Cumberland has son Alfred Arva Allen b. 1764. Offers no proof.

Public Member Tree '96 Wilson Tilquist Allen Family. States that Arva Allen is the son of a Richard Allen (abt 1740-abt 1825) and does not claim Henry or claim to know where Richard died. No proof

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yDNA results

A direct male descendant of Arva Allen's (through his son Thompson Allen and grandson William Washington Allen), born with the Allen surname, volunteered to submit a yDNA sample to FamilyTreeDNA.com.

His kit number, in the name of William Allen, is 237184.

The results showed that he was in the R1b1a2a1a1b haplogroup.

He was a 37 marker match to the following :

Samual Doyle Allen Jr (Ancestor Ephraim P. Allen, b. 1820 North Carolina)
Ronald Lee Allen (Ancestor Edmond Allen)
Henry Walton Allen (Ancestor not indicated)
Jerome Brady (Ancestor Richard Brady b. ca. 1805 Co. Caven or Claire, Ireland)
Williams Adams (Ancestor William Adams b. 1816)

Bill Adams emailed the following about his "Adams" lineage: "I can trace my lineage back to William Adams born in Mecklenburg, VA in 1816 or 1820. I know his mother was Sarah/Sally "Adams". (And I think he may have had brothers Alfred and James). I cannot determine who his father was. His grandfather appears to be James Adams who fought in the Revolution. Sarah/Sally having a last name of "Adams" is weird.

Due to the exact match between us, I am wondering whether Sarah/Sally actually had a husband named "Allen" who died or something. Maybe Sarah/Sally went to live with her "Adams" dad for this or some other reason and the kids were raised with an Adams last name. I sayy this because it seems weird to me that Sarah/Sally's husband would also be the same last name of "Adams".

You show your earliest ancestor being 1820, but I do know that the "Adams" in Mecklenburg lived on "Allen's" creek. Also, one of them married an "Allen" (maybe it was William, I can't remember for sure.) I know there were "Allens" living in close proximity to the "Adams" in Mecklenburg, VA."

Arva married Polly Clarke on 19 Aug 1786 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Polly was born about 1765 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia; died on 4 Jul 1835 in Alabama. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Tuck Wilson writes that "Family tradition has it that Polly Clark was a "Bolling". The Bolling family was quite prominent and so although she was a Clark, her grandmother was a Bolling (Penelope) , thus she was known by her famous family name. An important clue to her lineage is that Bolling Clark stood surety for her marriage. Records were destroyed by Tarleton when the British troops burned the Louisa County courthouse." Tuck addes that Bolling Clark's daughter married a Lawson Allen in Halifax Co, VA in 1902.

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Bolling Clarke was shown as their second (witness?). They also had two sons and one daughter that died as infants.

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Lieutenant-Colonel, Lincoln County, Georgia Militia, 1797. He was the father of one son, William, and six daughters. (McIntosh, HISTORY OF ELBERT COUNTY)

John married Martha "Patsy" Ellington about 1803 in Abbeville County, South Carolina. Martha (daughter of Jeremiah H. Ellington and Frances "Fanny" Jones) was born on 27 May 1783 in Amelia County, Virginia; died about 1825 in Abbeville County, South Carolina. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]